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Isabel Tenorio
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:01 am

I don't mean total balance. Ana doesn't need to have six points, five are appropriate for her base skills. It just seems that seven points, in most cases, is pushing the envelope when 3 is peak of what most people can accomplish. Particularly with wound points, they are rising to 3 with no explanation.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:04 am

I wasnt entirely sure if I had made Celdiur OP or not. I tried my best to give explanations to justify them, though if they are deemed OP then im more than happy to adjust them.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:12 am

In the end it probably isn't that big of a deal. I don't imagine most people have gone through to edit their stats to ignore equipment. Granted skill is a difficult one, as it's very weapon-dependent.

WP - 2 is normal, but this is including armor, so the naked stat would be 1.
SP - 1 is normal, if you go beyond, why is your character so fast?
SK - 2 is a highly trained warrior, it could certainly go to 3, but there would need to be an explanation again.

That is how I thought of it, at least. I don't mean to be intruding, Saeros, as you're the GM and it's important that we play based on how you've viewed it.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:14 am

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Particularly with wound points, they are rising to 3 with no explanation.

Yeah, in some cases I'll ask the player to rework his stats before the battle.

Extra wound points are reasonable only for gauntlets, legionnaires and dragons. Anyone else needs something better than just the generic "I'm strong and that's it". And a Gauntlet who wants to pump his WP even more (i.e. to 4) must consider that, in fact, what he is saying is this: "I'm member of an order trained to fight superhuman beings. My mates follow a strict ascetic way of life. My mates WALK and RUN around in ultra heavy armor. But me, I'm even hardier than them!". The question is: how did you manage to become like that? It's not impossible. Just... unbeliavable.

Likewise: all those who think they should have WP 3 should consider: is your character as badass as the description above? WP 3 is a regular gauntlet. You are free to keep you WP if you want, but just think about it.

If possible, ground that on former actions in the RP (e.g. Kamos punched a lot of important people, hence the unarmed combat perk).

And above all: don't let the numbers get to your heads. Don't take it so serious.


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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:17 am

Of course. Thanks for the clarity guys.

@Saeros Do you reckon the reasoning behind why Celdiur is so tough is acceptable? Its a combination of sustaining many wounds and having a will of iron due to his faith.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:18 am

You know, I keep trolling about for this and failing to find what I need to know, but what are those abbreviations (WP, SP and SK) short for? I mean, I've been kind of haphazardly guessing what each represents from context, but I can't be entirely sure...
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:20 am

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WP - 2 is normal, but this is including armor, so the naked stat would be 1.

Nope, WP is just the natural constitution. Body build, thickness of skin, sensibility to pain, amount of fat (yep), and body conditioning. WP 2 is the base value for everyone, accounting for one's lifetime training as knight/squire (silvermists are no knights).


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SP - 1 is normal, if you go beyond, why is your character so fast?

SP 1 is actually already faster than most humans. It's D'Shar Bladesman-fast.


SK 1 is the minimum for a royal knight. A peasant should have SK -5 or something.


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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:20 am

WP : Wound Points (How many hits you can take)
SP : Speed (How fast you move)
SK : Skill (How well you hit stuff)
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:23 am

Saeros wrote:


SP 1 is actually already faster than most humans. It's D'Shar Bladesman-fast.


SK 1 is the minimum for a royal knight. A peasant should have SK -5 or something.





Alright then, so every character is base

WP 2
SP 1
SK 1

Potentially less WP depending on the build?
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:36 am

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Alright then, so every character is base
WP 2
SP 1
SK 1
Potentially less WP depending on the build?

I'd say so, yes.

But almost all of us are very good with some weapons, therefore WP 2 can be chosen at will. And using the order weapon of choice gives +1, so a generic knight should have SK 3 in the arena.

Are you super fast? An assassin or ranger maybe? Then take SP 2.

Are you silvermist or clarion ranger? WP 1
Are you a dragon, legionnaire or gauntlet? WP 3


Stories can vary, but I'd think the majority of builds should stay within this range.
WP 1-3
SP 0-2
SK 1-2

Sure, some people were trained by the noldor; some have killed demons; some may be demons themselves; some are crippled; some drank Finneas' elixirs. Exceeding this range is possible for everyone, not only grandmasters. Just have some common sense. And don't think too much about the numbers!

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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:40 am

So then, for Ana

WP 2 (Assuming she is wearing her own armor, otherwise she will drop 1 WP to maintain her speed, IE wearing lighter armor)
SP 3 (She's very quick for her fighting style, as well as only really being skilled with a spear)
SK 1 (She's had excellent training, but it hasn't taken hold and she doesn't have as many years of experience)


How is that?
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:43 am

Seems okay for me. It pains me to see a Dawnite more agile than a Silvermist duelist, but that's life.

Except for WP 2. Just keep the number and take out the armor quotation, and then all's good.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:47 am

Ana isn't a traditional Dawnite, as they'll surely tell you tongue . For one, she isn't nearly as skilled as they are, at least not on foot.

I could downgrade that to base 2 and just take into consideration later that she is a spear fighter, thus when she uses anything else, she simply fast and not... godly fast. (Still, nobody touches Iskar with speed!)

Edit: I did downgrade to base 2. Her speed was a reflection of how 'fast' she is with a spear, not her base agility. A base of 2 is far more accurate, considering we're not including equipment in this.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:52 am

Alright, lets see if this is any better now.

WP:3 (Refer to reasons in "The Kingdoms Finest" thread)

SP:1 (Fit due to years spent in the wild, reasonably fast even with armour)

SK: 3(Not entirely sure about this one. Im using a base of 2 but, correct me if im wrong, Eventide will get a +1 when using sowrds and shields?)

Does that seem alright?
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:56 am

It seems fine to me.

The only thing I would potentially question is the SP 1. If SP 1 is already D'Shar bladesman fast, is that the same level that he is at? I don't think it's overpowered as it is, but, question it anyway! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:37 pm

Saeros wrote:
If possible, ground that on former actions in the RP (e.g. Kamos punched a lot of important people, hence the unarmed combat perk).

Oh you, you sure know how to flatter a guy.
I'm more than happy to rework things if need be just let me know.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:41 pm

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It seems fine to me.

The only thing I would potentially question is the SP 1. If SP 1 is already D'Shar bladesman fast, is that the same level that he is at? I don't think it's overpowered as it is, but, question it anyway! Wink

...That's a good point. While knights are most certainly fast for fighting in bulky armor all the time...would most of them be considered "quick"? Feels like the Bladesman is getting shortchanged in the arrangement.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:48 am

In the light of what Saeros has written, some people might want to revise their speed points. If it helps a general consent I will also reduce Iskar's speed to 3.

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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:50 am

Iskar, I think that depends on how restrained people are with their speed. If they're dropping to base 0 or -1, then I think for the relative differences, you should also drop to 3. If they're going to remain at 1, then your speed 4 is entirely reasonable.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:53 am

well.. basic speed is 1.
most people will use a shield and thus drop to 0. (shield using is ofcourse a guess)

If I am right, 3 would be more than enough.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:54 am

Basic speed is not 1.

Speed 1 is D'Shar Blademaster speed, already well above the normal warrior.
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:55 am

In fact I doubt a knight who is already fighting in full armour could justify a speed of 3, two being already pretty exceptional.

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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:56 am

hm I thought Saeros made 1 the basic speed.. must be changed then Wink
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:57 am

We had a discussion on speed, 1-2 pages back now Razz
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PostSubject: Re: OOC Thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:58 am

Ana Sulran wrote:
We had a discussion on speed, 1-2 pages back now Razz

D: I'm sorry, I have been solely focused on the joust. I will catch up asap!
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