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Mordred
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PostSubject: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:22 pm

Now refers to this thread : http://popaftermath.forumotion.com/t108-order-tactics#2249



Each Order has their own expertise and way of fighting, and will pick up / lose traits as the game goes on.

Griffons
Knightly Mastery : Average knights, equally capable in both mounted and dismounted combat. Extremely versatile.
Retainer Mastery : Average retainers, very flexible with a wide range of equipment and skill. Extremely versatile.
Order Tactical Boni : Allowed weapons in King's presence. May seize command of Royal Pendor Army units. Siege Competence (Griffons have free access to the Academy of Siege Warfare, reduced casualties from sieges), A Mettenheim Bonus, A Veccavia Bonus.

Shadow Legion
Centurion Mastery : Below average mounted knights, very tough infantry. Above average melee combat. Highly disciplined with morale bonuses. Ride Ironbred Warhorses.
Legionnaire Mastery : Very tough infantry. above average melee combat. Highly disciplined with morale bonuses.
Retainer Mastery : Tough infantry. High discipline with morale bonus when near Legionnaire units.
Order Tactical Boni : Throw and Charge (Throw javelins into the enemy, followed by a charge. Breaks enemy formations and causes enemy discipline loss)

Silvermists
Ranger Mastery : Good scouts. Exceptional marksmen
Mtd Ranger Mastery : Average knights, average horse archers. Knightly armour.
Order Tactical Boni : Infiltrate (May position behind enemy lines with reduced chance of detection. Ability enhanced for Rangers), Mobility (All Silvermists are fleet of foot)

Dawn
Knightly Mastery : Good knights, very good mounted, below average on foot. Very well equipped.
Retainer Mastery : Solid medium cavalry, good mounted, below average on foot. Well equipped.
Order Tactical Boni : Open Field Manoeuvres (Very skilled at high speed mounted manoeuvres), Deadly Charge (Very powerful charge)

Gauntlets
Knightly Mastery : Tough shock infantry, good in melee, average at range.
Retainer Mastery : Tough crossbowmen, average in melee, good at range.
Order Tactical Boni : Urban Warfare (Reduced casualties in towns, slightly reduced in sieges), A Mettenheim Bonus

Eventide
Knightly Mastery : Good knights, good mounted, below average on foot. Blunt weapons.
Retainer Mastery : Solid medium cavalry, good mounted, below average on foot. Blunt weapons.
Auxiliary Mastery : Poor quality infantry, cheap and numerous.
Order Tactical Boni : Open Field Manoeuvres (Very skilled at high speed mounted manoeuvres), Knightly Killers (Bonus against armoured targets)


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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:50 pm

i believe eventide armor is also the best of the knightly armors yes? the dawn and ethe eventide also appear very underpowered in comparrison to the other orders. we have zero exceptional troops apparently, compared to the others which have almost all elite troops.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:54 pm

Armour Quality;

Griffon ***

Shadow Legion *** (**** for the Legionnaires)

Silvermist * (** with shields *** for the Mtd Rangers)

Dawn ***

Gauntlet ****

Eventide ***
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:55 pm

nor are we....... our knights didn't even get better than a good in anything and got average at marksmanship........

the shadow legion i guess are better infantry men than we are even though they ride horses.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:00 pm

Average for a knighthood order, that is still better than most of the top commoner marksmen.

Maybe I havn't been quite fair in my word usage I will tweak now.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:01 pm

so... my knights suck on the ground? and my retainers too?
Time to put my immense riches to work..

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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:10 pm

Tweaked.


Griffons are on average below par however their flexibility makes up for this (hence the additional tactical boni)

Shadow Legion are essentially mounted infantry. Their Centurions are Legionnaires mounted on superior horses, additionally Marcus has made it clear that they are extremely well drilled and their actions in the Invasion prove this.

Silvermists are of course the top archers in the game. Downgraded the scouting ability a little.

Dawn are "the" mounted force, and have paid in terms of infantry thanks to the great mounted training. Boosted mounted ability a little.

Gauntlets are the damage dealing infantry while the Legion are more defensive. They are also uniquely suited to urban combat.

Eventide are the armour killers, being well suited to killing knights. They are of the same heritage as the Dawn, but with different weapon selection.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:48 pm

Why didn't this get an OOC-thread? And why do the Legionnaires have better armor than centurions?

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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:11 pm

Btw, my command is elite infantry, its degrading to be listed as below average.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:32 pm

The thing is probably for the average knight of the order, of course there will be exceptions

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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:33 pm

i still think the dawn and the eventide are underpowered, i mean, its harder to kill an eventide i find, then a legionarre.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:38 pm

I think these legionnaires are not the usual ones you meet in the game but actual Shadow Legionnaires and thus even better infantry units. Moreover if we completely copied the stats from the game then Dawn and Eventide knights would be considerably (lvl 50 instead of lvl 40 like the others) stronger than all other knights. That would seem somewhat unfair...

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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:43 pm

can i mount my gauntlets on horses and make them exceptionally tough cav since the shadow legion just decided to make themselves infantry?
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:45 pm

The main part of their troops were always infantry. In game you only meet the legion's centurions which are mounted. legionnaires are never mounted.

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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:50 pm

wheres the lore for that?

(i feel like theres some treasure trove of lore that i havent read before)
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:59 pm

It is partly ingame lore:

The Shadow Legion Centurion in taverns says:
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Marius seeks to turn us from the old Empire path we follow to the Pendorian ones. Those cretins of the Radiant Cross endorse the new ways but we follow tradition. What brought glory to our ancestors will surely bring glory to us! We would prefer to convert Marius to the old ways, to persuade him that the traditions of the Old Empire should endure

As the Empire forces fight like romans with a lot of infantry and the legionnaires as the core of that, it is clear that the traditionalist Shadow Legion will follow this way with only the centurions mounted (as were roman commanders, i.e. Empire commanders in the Pendor context).

The next thing is from the recruitment thread:
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25 Centurians, 250 Legionnaires, 250 Retainers. The Shadow Legion is funded from unknown sources, but they have very deep pockets. The Centurians are only the best of the Legion, though they have Legionnaires and common footsoldiers also.

The two statements together say that the Legion has 500 (before the event and distribution of recruits) footsoldiers, half of them proper legionnaires.

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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:37 pm

This was later changed to 25 centurions, 175 legionaries and 250 retainers due to Mordred thinking our order was too OP.

Might i have a last word, infantry is much more fragile to cavalry than vice versa, thus we should have in order to balance it out more troops.

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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:45 pm

I don't think the rp was ever meant to be balanced out. I mean the Dawn started with 400 knights and 1000 retainers; easily as much as two of the other orders combined.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:55 am

It's better when it's not balanced. Real life is not fair.

On another topic: the TW thread says former soldiers were dismissed due to the law of the halves, resulting in unemployment and them turning into bandits.

Then I thought: where are the hero adventurers? Because if *they* also became bandits and began founding rogue companies, we might have a problem there.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:45 am

It is somewhat insinuated in that the Ironbred Horses that the Centurions ride are exceptionally rare. It is a "Legion" after all. I take the Shadow Legionnaires to be better than Empire Legionnaires but worse than Immortals.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:15 am

They are rather more disciplined than the Immortals.

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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:29 am

i agree with my headmaster in the sense that eventide should be much more powerful, as we start out with the weakest of all the orders. we should have the stats from the game. instead, we are pretty much the weakest on all fronts.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:33 am

Remember, these are relative to other orders, you are still far better than any ordinary cavalry and better than Pendor knights by a long shot. You just aren't as good mounted because you use blunt weapons rather than lances like most other orders.
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:34 am

yes, however it doesnt take armor into account, and we have some of the best of all the knightly orders!
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PostSubject: Re: Order Tactics : OOC   Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:36 am

I think our knight killer feature is pretty sweet and useful, at least in direct conflict with the other orders (which of course we would never engage in Wink). That is not to say I would mind having my knights becoming stronger; I simply do not think much about levels and stuff.

But do knights of the Eventide really never use lances? Also in the game?
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