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Depends on the kingdom you are talking about. The Marcher lords and the Prince of Wales were being antagonistic, and Henry III was forced to intervene. Also, depends on the context. Aeldarian would be invading as an attempt to wipe out Pendor, or a similar goal, so Mordred would have to intervene. It's the same as Marcus always complaining that the king isn't helping with the cult.

Edward II's vassals were under attack by a French lord in Gascony, he travelled over to intervene, and was blocked by the French king. Plenty of examples from both our arguments, but kings/lords were legally obligated to support their vassals, at least in England. This, for one thing, is a reason why peasant life was far better in Medieval England than people tend to think.

When did the Rangers turn into the old Dawn? "Let them rebel, we will burn them all!!!"

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When did the Rangers turn into the old Dawn? "Let them rebel, we will burn them all!!!"

Spent too many years talking to Isabel.

No, really, Saeros believes Mastifus represents outdated ideals and is too dangerous. I'm still trying to find the right measure of antagonism. Theo (my former character), on the other hand, worshipped him and would probably have joined them in an eventual independence war.

Tubby McChubbles wrote:

When did the Rangers turn into the old Dawn? "Let them rebel, we will burn them all!!!"

Seriously, I doubt the peasants would join any kind of rebellion against the crown. They hardly care for their own local lords, so why should they care for administrative borders and distant governors? Any rebellion would be a rebellion of nobles alone - and these can well be put to the sword as far as I'm concerned.

If that "other orders" thing was meant to be a dig at the Gauntlet, Zekic is generally saying different things to me


Iskar, I guess it all depends on which of our views on Ravenstern peasants is correct, whether they are as independent as the nobles say.

On that account you are wrong, I fear: It depends on which of us can present his view more convincingly. What actually is the case remains to be determined by Mordred.

I meant in reality, not in the council argument.

Also, can I suggest that everyone watch Terry Jones' Medieval Lives. It's a very good introduction to what life was actually like in the Feudal era, the peasant episode is especially useful.

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If that "other orders" thing was meant to be a dig at the Gauntlet, Zekic is generally saying different things to me Razz

Not really, it was a very generic "other" - I have no idea how Gauntlets are organized. I assumed that other orders follow the typical structure: commoners must follow squires who must follow knights. As we repeatedly highlight, rangers have no knights in their ranks, which make us think a bit differently. I do think this has to be RPed better, with the Clarion Call assimilation and how that is a culture shock in matters of hierarchy.

Gauntlet, as far as I know, doesn't have anything other than knights and "non-members".

Yep, i am trying for zekic to be as independant and showoff as i can, but well for him opposing noldor(and silvermists of course) is more important then his pride or anything else in that matter ^^

Careful lads, you are on the verge of meta-gaming here. The democratic concepts that come natural and easy to your minds are nothing a medieval (not even a late medieval) knight, let alone peasant, would think about. Most likely it would be condemned as treason as well as heresy.

Medieval peasants are in now way fit to elect a governor and the lords would take it as a serious insult if their authority no longer derived from their ancestry and weaponry but from some dirty peasants casting votes.

Which is why I ignored the peasant-election in my post.

Rotative rule, on the other hand, way already a Roman concept; there's nothing democratic in it.

Well, my other thought would have been noble election, but that would have caused too much power to nobility.

Heads will roll before they stand up to be counted!!!

I have the growing suspicion that the Silvermist army will be need before this council ends. Either to take care of the participants (especially mastifus after all that has been said about his stupid beloved ravenstern) or to crush an uprising of disgruntled nobles and/or election-drunk peasants.

Or just plain drunk peasants.

Von Brewhaha lives

I suggest the current (few) active posters take an informal break while we wait for others to catch up. There has been a lot said, and it isn't just insignificant dialogue this time. Lots of ideas have been proposed that only a couple of people have had the chance to weigh in on.

OK just an idea, ill post it here. Steal it and merzinas will leap across the table and slap you

Unite the land through fear of a common enemy, every lord, knight and petty king be marshalled to attack the cult and hey, we cant technically win, but why not launch an attack on Amala, a 'scouting' force persay that we eventaully withdraw from (4 pop 4) but it would unite the land.

Certainly, someone can toss the idea in.

Because countries that start wars to avoid their internal problems always work out well.

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I have the growing suspicion that the Silvermist army will be need before this council ends.

We always knew nothing good would come from gathering these people in the same room

Isabel Tenorio wrote:

I suggest the current (few) active posters take an informal break while we wait for others to catch up. There has been a lot said, and it isn't just insignificant dialogue this time. Lots of ideas have been proposed that only a couple of people have had the chance to weigh in on.

Seconded. I suggest we wait for Kamos, Mastifus and one of the Eventiders to speak their mind at least.

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On that account you are wrong, I fear: It depends on which of us can present his view more convincingly. What actually is the case remains to be determined by Mordred.

The peasants are more independently minded than most common folk and would willing rise for someone they support. More dangerous are the local lords (Knights / Barons / Counts), or clan leaders who are more vocal in their support for a unified Ravenstern. Antagonise them, and they would have a fairly easy task raising the local levies even without their superiors (Ducal / Governor) consent.

Bear in mind that the local nobility have done a fair good job in keeping their people safe, with Mystmountain raids reduced to virtually nothing (this is more thanks to the Crown than the local lords, but the people praise those they can see). Its a roughly similar situation as in the Marcher provinces with the Jatu being on the verge of total eradication.

Well...that was a hell of a conversation.

I can't help but feel I was ignored, though...

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The peasants are more independently minded than most common folk and would willing rise for someone they support. More dangerous are the local lords (Knights / Barons / Counts), or clan leaders who are more vocal in their support for a unified Ravenstern. Antagonise them, and they would have a fairly easy task raising the local levies even without their superiors (Ducal / Governor) consent.

Bear in mind that the local nobility have done a fair good job in keeping their people safe, with Mystmountain raids reduced to virtually nothing (this is more thanks to the Crown than the local lords, but the people praise those they can see). Its a roughly similar situation as in the Marcher provinces with the Jatu being on the verge of total eradication.

Well, that's bad news then. But I'm sure we can solve that somehow.

I have to say, I'm surprised you're surprised. You can't have an independent streak without an independent mindset. It's how I always interpreted Ravenstern.