Throne Room OOC - Archived Parts

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To avoid further back and forth dialogue which while fun, is a pain for others to catch up on.

Not everyone is aware of the issues at Javiksholm or the rather delicate issue of Earl Redsword's behavior. The Griffons originally went to Javiksholm as well, 'cause, well, the Red Dawn was being naughty. However Redsword allowed representatives of the King to investigate his city and ultimately it was determined that legally, there was no issue. The Griffons withdrew and at this point in time, the Red Dawn and Redsword are de jure in Mordred's good graces.

To bring in more OOC knowledge, there is a good chance that won't be the case once the city is taken. Victor's Justice comes to mind, but it is known that the Red Dawn has excuted a lot of people for various crimes. Once the city is taken, things could be discovered.

I get the feeling this is what Iskar was hinting at, but I don't think everyone knows that aspect of the situation OOCly, much less IC. To rephrase this quickly: The Red Dawn has currently broken no laws, nor has Redsword. There was a small investigation early on to determine that.

No laws were broken in the city that Aedin could be tied to.

And since you had access to the event, you know exactly Aedin is planning.

I do?

let's not play this game.

Perhaps you should PM about what I know and how it is relevant to what I posted.

Didn't Tubby post something in this session?

I know there are several different types of Steppe, those of Russia, Mongolia, and I would argue the Great Plains of the USA. The Jatu steppe are most like the Russian steppe, with flat grassland but not much else. It is suited to raising horses and other cattle, but is not good enough to reliable sustain agriculture, nor does it have any forests / lakes of any note, though there are numerous streams which criss cross it.

The D'Shar steppe is more akin to Persia in climate and terrain, therefore more acrid though not an outright desert.

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Didn't Tubby post something in this session?

Actually tubby did,sorry i missed ti first time i scrolled trough posts, thanks for noticing, gonna edit my post.

Ok, brought the Dragons into the discussion. If someone can get one of the scribes to give him a transcript of what has already happened, it shouldn't cause too much of an interruption.

The assembled knights looked at eachother for a second, then all pointed at Kamos.

I couldn't have fought the snake cult, because I didn't know about them, and it's not my land anyway.

Did you mean that to be in the OOC thread Tubby?

Edit: Slightly modified the latest post to "Mastifus" it up a little. Content is the same.

Yes, I meant it to be OOC.

Gauntlet, Eventide and Griffon votes have not yet been made.

where is ddude

Busy I suppose.

Sir Aranor wrote:

No laws were broken in the city that Aedin could be tied to.

And since you had access to the event, you know exactly Aedin is planning.

That called Meta-Gaming Aranor. Mixing your meta game and your role play is a big no no now Aranor.

Does Aedin Redsword have a rightful heir?

His cousin, who is also harbouring red dawn at Ironoak. So TO THE PYRES WITH HIM!

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Busy I suppose.

Sir Aranor wrote:

No laws were broken in the city that Aedin could be tied to.

And since you had access to the event, you know exactly Aedin is planning.

That called Meta-Gaming Aranor. Mixing your meta game and your role play is a big no no now Aranor.

I didn't. That post was OOC, and my roleplay only has information my character already knows.

I just don't appreciate Isabel posting things like that, especially due to the nature of some of the things she knew as a Dawn knight.

Just so that we're all clear on the OOC definition of a Free City, this is the model I envisioned; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_immediacy

Note; this does not mean a lord is stripped of their titles, some Imperial Free Cities held lands outside of the city itself, it simply means that they have more authority over the creation and enforcement of their own laws, taxation and military exercise. The primary difference between an Imperial Free City and a Pendor Free City, is that the King of Pendor retains all rights to international affairs. Minting coins also remains a Royal prerogative.

Now we should all be on the same page

They were things that had to be known with the nature of Iskar's post. The Griffons had a preliminary determination that Redsword had committed no crimes. That's the kind of information the Council would have.

But the free imperial cities (Freie Reichsstädte) that this concept mostly applied to, had no noble overlord, but were ruled by a council of patricians/urban nobility and/or leading craftsmen (such as the 'Zünfte' [guilds] in Cologne that ended the rule of the patricians' council, the so called Richerzeche, in 1396).

I would think we need to clarify the legal code(s) of Pendor before another Free City could be made then. It's placing them directly under the authority of Mordred, and frees them of cultural/provincal laws. However as Iskar brought up earlier in the thread, the provincal governors don't create such laws in the first place, so it's like a Free City removes a middleman that didn't have any authority in the first place.

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I would think we need to clarify the legal code(s) of Pendor

Seconded. It's difficult to maneuver politically without knowing what is legally possible.